And it's not that we haven't done that. We've got very robust See Something, Say Something campaigns but I think we could use more in that area.
COLLINS: Thank you.
FLYNN: Senator, if I could just one thing to that and just that, I think one of the reasons why I place such emphasis on response recovery as well as being key is that it almost always gets people vested, and couldn't we do more to prevent these things?
And so -- so not treating in that continuum, I think when you bring citizens and you get them involved in response recovery, they get that much more vested and how can I be helpful in preventing something that we just gone through. So exercises are so important because as a practical matter, we're not going to eliminate everyone. And everybody is afraid that we may overreact, but there are also, I think, very much support in prevention protection as well.
COLLINS: Thank you.
LIEBERMAN: Thanks, Dr. Flynn, and thanks, Senator Collins.
Senator Paul, you're next.
PAUL: Thank you, and thanks to the panel for coming today. I wanted to follow up on Senator Collins question to Mr. Pistole.
Currently, the invasive pat-down searches are random and not based on risk assessment?
PISTOLE: No, actually, they are based on intelligence that we know, specifically from Christmas Day, Abdulmutallab and the way he concealed that device. There are some random pat-downs if that's what you're referring to, but this is based on the intelligence.
PAUL: Right. So, I guess, this little girl wouldn't be part of the random pat-down. This is a little girl that -- from Bowling Green, Kentucky -- one of my constituents -- they're still quite unhappy with you guys as well, as myself and a lot of other of America that thinks you're -- you've gone overboard and you're missing the boat on terrorism because you're doing these invasive searches on six- year-old girls.
The same week -- thank you -- the -- the same week that this happened, I got a call from another neighbor of mine in Bowling Green, a little boy had a broken foot and crutches. They didn't want to go through all the screens. (inaudible) took the crutches off and the broken -- the cast, and he wanted to hobble through on his broken foot, and his dad was helping him. TSA said, "Back away, back away."
Then he had to go to the special search because he had previously had a cast on even though the cast went to the belt. When the dad comes close, they say, "Back away, back away. If you don't back away, you won't fly."
This kind of gets back to this whole idea of, you know, what are we willing to do, what are we willing to give up as a country?
In your interview with ABC News, you said, "I see flying as a privilege." Well, there are those of us who see it otherwise. The Supreme Court included in Saenz v. Roe in 1999, it says that although the word travel is not found in the text of the Constitution, yet the constitutional right to travel from one state to another is firmly embedded in our jurisprudence.
Justice Stewart went on to say in Shapiro v. Thompson that the right to travel is so important that it is assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. A virtually unconditional personal right guaranteed by the constitution to us all.
Now, this isn't to say we don't believe in safety procedures, but I think I feel less safe because you're doing these invasive exams on a six-year old. It makes me think you're clueless, you know, that you think she's going to attack our country and that you're not doing your research on the people who would attack our country. It absolutely must involve a risk assessment of those who are traveling. And the fact that she's being patted down and I don't feel comfortable really with your response that we are no longer doing, we may be doing some risk assessment, we're still doing random pat-downs. I think you ought to get rid of the random pat-downs.
The American public is unhappy with them, they're unhappy with the invasiveness of them. The Internet is full of jokes about the invasiveness of your pat-down searches, and we ought to really just consider, is this what we're willing to do?