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	<title>Comments on: Free Transit</title>
	<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/</link>
	<description>Mass Transit's editor, Fred Jandt, speaks weekly on critical issues facing the public transportation industry.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom Hingson</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2650</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hingson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2650</guid>
		<description>In September 2006 Everett Transit changed its modest fare of 75 cents and 35 cents, which included a paper transfer, to a single fare of only 50 cents with no paper transfer.  We also allow seniors and persons with disabilities to ride free on fixed route and institued a $1.00 per ride fare on para-transit.  We thought the combination of incentive and disincentive for para-transit might slow down our rate of growth on para-transit.  Para-transit ridership increased 8.5%, fixed route increased 5.4%.  Ridership did go up and the best part of the story is that fare revenue and sales of monthly passes far exceeded expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September 2006 Everett Transit changed its modest fare of 75 cents and 35 cents, which included a paper transfer, to a single fare of only 50 cents with no paper transfer.  We also allow seniors and persons with disabilities to ride free on fixed route and institued a $1.00 per ride fare on para-transit.  We thought the combination of incentive and disincentive for para-transit might slow down our rate of growth on para-transit.  Para-transit ridership increased 8.5%, fixed route increased 5.4%.  Ridership did go up and the best part of the story is that fare revenue and sales of monthly passes far exceeded expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Mengel</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2638</link>
		<dc:creator>Dwight Mengel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 16:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2638</guid>
		<description>So what happens if there is overwhelming demand for public transit (for any reason - free transit, etc.)?

The market can provide premium service for passengers who want to pay for it.

I've seen crush loads of passengers on buses in Eastern European cities. A bus pulls up to a bus stop - 60 people get off and 80 get on. There are privately-operated buses that charge twice the regular bus fare in exchange for all passengers getting a seat and no standees. These buses stopped to pick up passengers only when there were available seats. Therefore, the buses travelled much faster on route than a regular bus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what happens if there is overwhelming demand for public transit (for any reason - free transit, etc.)?</p>
<p>The market can provide premium service for passengers who want to pay for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen crush loads of passengers on buses in Eastern European cities. A bus pulls up to a bus stop - 60 people get off and 80 get on. There are privately-operated buses that charge twice the regular bus fare in exchange for all passengers getting a seat and no standees. These buses stopped to pick up passengers only when there were available seats. Therefore, the buses travelled much faster on route than a regular bus.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2632</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2632</guid>
		<description>You state that you are not sure if free transit would increase ridership. As an MTA retiree, I and current employees already have the right to free transit.  Yet many choose to drive instead to many destinations.  Why not survey these people to estimate how much ridership would increase if it were free for all and also learn where this new ridership would occur? 

The larger question is can the existing system handle the increase in ridership considering the times and routes these new riders would use and is there the opportunity to cheaply add additional service? In New York City, I strongly doubt that the existing system could easily handle the additional demand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You state that you are not sure if free transit would increase ridership. As an MTA retiree, I and current employees already have the right to free transit.  Yet many choose to drive instead to many destinations.  Why not survey these people to estimate how much ridership would increase if it were free for all and also learn where this new ridership would occur? </p>
<p>The larger question is can the existing system handle the increase in ridership considering the times and routes these new riders would use and is there the opportunity to cheaply add additional service? In New York City, I strongly doubt that the existing system could easily handle the additional demand.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Yaffe</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2625</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Yaffe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2625</guid>
		<description>A lot of folks who could use transit would rather pay the car dealer, gas station, and insurance company to drive - even if transit were free.  Better to add to their burden the cost of parking as a surcharge to office rent and the store bill.  Even better to constrain the supply of parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of folks who could use transit would rather pay the car dealer, gas station, and insurance company to drive - even if transit were free.  Better to add to their burden the cost of parking as a surcharge to office rent and the store bill.  Even better to constrain the supply of parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar Henrioulle</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2622</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunnar Henrioulle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2622</guid>
		<description>People like to think they are getting something for nothing; sometimes getting them thinking that is sufficient.   Is it time to re-instate tokens?  Maybe using Dollar coins?

Free rides on transit invites a scofflaw element, but this is not so significant a problem when more legitimate riders fill the cars.  Identifying troublemakers is a phase, a methodology of denying boardings, eventually they disappear, or settle down to keep riding privileges.

The theory of loss leader marketing is a useful part of the discussion.   Anybody giving free boardings on early morning runs to get people to work, charging after lunch hour, or home direction peak?

This comes back to starvation diet for Public Transit in the USA...  And, foot-dragging &#38; obstructionism on the part of some locales that scare off investment.   Case in Point:   "City" of Novato, demanding EIR on entire 300+ mile Northwestern Pacific, causing delay of rehab of 50-odd miles slated for rehab to serve Santa Rosa &#38; North Bay Communities in CA.

As part of the Post 911DAY scenario, it is time to exempt from taxation, abandoned and identified legacy rail corridor as "Homeland Defense assets", with priority rehab status.  Other interim finance tools might be sponorship tax benefits for corporates, including advertising in stations &#38; rolling stock.   

We are inexorably moving closer to some extreme rethinking of public transportation, and rail haul distribution as well, -this due to energy/climate concerns.    Stay light on your feet, consultants and transport responsibles.   We are at the leading edge of James Howard Kunstler's "LONG EMERGENCY".   

Oilmen par exellence -Matthew Simmons &#38; T. Boone Pickens allude to "shortages this summer"; read "RATIONING".   This will render these sorts of discussions about loss leader pricing for Transit passe'!   Maybe Mr. Jandt will do a list of metropolitan area transit Capacity existing, vs, capacity needed when gas rationing is mandated by Federal Executive Order...  Matt Simmons is accessible, interested Transit &#38; MPO executives would do well to get update directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like to think they are getting something for nothing; sometimes getting them thinking that is sufficient.   Is it time to re-instate tokens?  Maybe using Dollar coins?</p>
<p>Free rides on transit invites a scofflaw element, but this is not so significant a problem when more legitimate riders fill the cars.  Identifying troublemakers is a phase, a methodology of denying boardings, eventually they disappear, or settle down to keep riding privileges.</p>
<p>The theory of loss leader marketing is a useful part of the discussion.   Anybody giving free boardings on early morning runs to get people to work, charging after lunch hour, or home direction peak?</p>
<p>This comes back to starvation diet for Public Transit in the USA&#8230;  And, foot-dragging &amp; obstructionism on the part of some locales that scare off investment.   Case in Point:   &#8220;City&#8221; of Novato, demanding EIR on entire 300+ mile Northwestern Pacific, causing delay of rehab of 50-odd miles slated for rehab to serve Santa Rosa &amp; North Bay Communities in CA.</p>
<p>As part of the Post 911DAY scenario, it is time to exempt from taxation, abandoned and identified legacy rail corridor as &#8220;Homeland Defense assets&#8221;, with priority rehab status.  Other interim finance tools might be sponorship tax benefits for corporates, including advertising in stations &amp; rolling stock.   </p>
<p>We are inexorably moving closer to some extreme rethinking of public transportation, and rail haul distribution as well, -this due to energy/climate concerns.    Stay light on your feet, consultants and transport responsibles.   We are at the leading edge of James Howard Kunstler&#8217;s &#8220;LONG EMERGENCY&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Oilmen par exellence -Matthew Simmons &amp; T. Boone Pickens allude to &#8220;shortages this summer&#8221;; read &#8220;RATIONING&#8221;.   This will render these sorts of discussions about loss leader pricing for Transit passe&#8217;!   Maybe Mr. Jandt will do a list of metropolitan area transit Capacity existing, vs, capacity needed when gas rationing is mandated by Federal Executive Order&#8230;  Matt Simmons is accessible, interested Transit &amp; MPO executives would do well to get update directly.</p>
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		<title>By: John Schumann</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2621</link>
		<dc:creator>John Schumann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2621</guid>
		<description>There's a tried and (to a degree) true formula that an inverse 3-to-1 relationship exists between fares and ridership such that a 10% increase in fares may be expected to cause about a 3% decrease in riding.  Thus, a 100% decrease in fares might generate a 33% increase in ridership.  The impact of high(er) gasoline prices needs to be factored into this, as suggested by SEPTA's recent fare increase and subsequent ridership growth because of $3.00+ per gallon gas.

More than a decade ago, Capital Metro in Austin, TX tried running a fare-free system for a year.  Ridership was somewhat higher, but the transit system also became a de facto provider of after-school latchkey child care and a homeless shelter...maybe a "good" thing for social welfare, but a "bad" thing to the extent it may have driven away choice transit riders.  Restoration of fares allowed Cap Metro to resume its legislated function of being primarily a public transportation provider.  

In Portland, Fareless Square is limited to the central business district and immediately adjacent parts of the Central City, including the Lloyd District. The "problem" is not so much fareless square itself, as enforcement, of the boundaries iof fareless square and throughout the MAX and streetcar system using proof-of-payment fares (not an honor system; it just seems that way when riders don't see a fare inspector for months at a time).  In short, more enforcement is needed: more frequent fare inspection of passengers' proofs of payment (passes, validated tickets, transfers), and more visible security.  There is no good reason why both functions cannot be carried out by one set of people, security patrollers who double as fare inspectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a tried and (to a degree) true formula that an inverse 3-to-1 relationship exists between fares and ridership such that a 10% increase in fares may be expected to cause about a 3% decrease in riding.  Thus, a 100% decrease in fares might generate a 33% increase in ridership.  The impact of high(er) gasoline prices needs to be factored into this, as suggested by SEPTA&#8217;s recent fare increase and subsequent ridership growth because of $3.00+ per gallon gas.</p>
<p>More than a decade ago, Capital Metro in Austin, TX tried running a fare-free system for a year.  Ridership was somewhat higher, but the transit system also became a de facto provider of after-school latchkey child care and a homeless shelter&#8230;maybe a &#8220;good&#8221; thing for social welfare, but a &#8220;bad&#8221; thing to the extent it may have driven away choice transit riders.  Restoration of fares allowed Cap Metro to resume its legislated function of being primarily a public transportation provider.  </p>
<p>In Portland, Fareless Square is limited to the central business district and immediately adjacent parts of the Central City, including the Lloyd District. The &#8220;problem&#8221; is not so much fareless square itself, as enforcement, of the boundaries iof fareless square and throughout the MAX and streetcar system using proof-of-payment fares (not an honor system; it just seems that way when riders don&#8217;t see a fare inspector for months at a time).  In short, more enforcement is needed: more frequent fare inspection of passengers&#8217; proofs of payment (passes, validated tickets, transfers), and more visible security.  There is no good reason why both functions cannot be carried out by one set of people, security patrollers who double as fare inspectors.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kack</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2620</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2008/01/24/free-transit/#comment-2620</guid>
		<description>I helped start two new fare-free transit systems in Montana.  Streamline, in the Bozeman area, and Skyline, in the Big Sky area.  You can go to www.streamlinebus.com or www.skylinebus.com to see more info.  While some in the general public think it makes no sense to give a "free ride" to someone, they need to realize that  their automobile trip is subsidized.

We have proved that people will ride a bus in areas that had no previous public transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I helped start two new fare-free transit systems in Montana.  Streamline, in the Bozeman area, and Skyline, in the Big Sky area.  You can go to <a href="http://www.streamlinebus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.streamlinebus.com</a> or <a href="http://www.skylinebus.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.skylinebus.com</a> to see more info.  While some in the general public think it makes no sense to give a &#8220;free ride&#8221; to someone, they need to realize that  their automobile trip is subsidized.</p>
<p>We have proved that people will ride a bus in areas that had no previous public transportation.</p>
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