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	<title>Comments on: Holiday Travel</title>
	<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/</link>
	<description>Mass Transit's editor, Fred Jandt, speaks weekly on critical issues facing the public transportation industry.</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: T. Pirnstill</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1345</link>
		<dc:creator>T. Pirnstill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have Hollywood do a comedy about vactions using public transporation????? You think we have perception problems now, wait til you see how the mis-guided comedy writers would have a field day. It is extremely unlikey that they could do any positive justice to the thousands of drivers and agencies that commit themselves to the seriousness of their jobs and how we serve the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have Hollywood do a comedy about vactions using public transporation????? You think we have perception problems now, wait til you see how the mis-guided comedy writers would have a field day. It is extremely unlikey that they could do any positive justice to the thousands of drivers and agencies that commit themselves to the seriousness of their jobs and how we serve the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Harris</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1344</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 13:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1344</guid>
		<description>The only family vacation movies I can think of involve Good insight. The Home Alone Series, where the family at least flew to their destinations-but with certain complications, is the only one I can think of.The other transit movies, like Planes, Trains &#38; Automobiles are for the single road warrior type, and don't necessarily portray mass transit as a desirable alternative-Art reflecting life perhaps. Perhaps someone should send these story lines to an up and coming screen writer- or novelist to help reacquaint the nation with mass transit as an alternative they should demand. Any aspiring writers listening out there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only family vacation movies I can think of involve Good insight. The Home Alone Series, where the family at least flew to their destinations-but with certain complications, is the only one I can think of.The other transit movies, like Planes, Trains &amp; Automobiles are for the single road warrior type, and don&#8217;t necessarily portray mass transit as a desirable alternative-Art reflecting life perhaps. Perhaps someone should send these story lines to an up and coming screen writer- or novelist to help reacquaint the nation with mass transit as an alternative they should demand. Any aspiring writers listening out there?</p>
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		<title>By: Gunnar Henrioulle</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1309</link>
		<dc:creator>Gunnar Henrioulle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1309</guid>
		<description>Writing from an attic office in a converted predepression commercial building, there is a special poignancy to Fred's story line about the public transportation vacation for me.   Some of our family experiences did in fact revolve around the public transportation of Northern CA, and from 1947 to about 1960, my Pharmacist Dad knew and practiced travel on the trains, buses, streetcars &#38; ferryboats at hand between Sacramento and San Francisco ("The City".

Learning from his Uncle Will Palin, the logistics of combining personal vehicles with public transport. Dad would send most of the family on the train (EsPee's El Dorado Express...)to the Ferry Building, and meet us there, sometimes with the car, but often he would park the car at our uncle Jim's, and use the trolley coach/streetcar to sneak up on us in the Ferry Building! 

Too many precious memories to share here- the more current ability to use the Capitol Corridor to repeat the experience is at hand in 2007.   Train rides in combination with ferryboats at Jack London Square to the Ferry Building can still be enjoyed.   Or use BART from Richmond to Stations along Market Street, go upstairs and grab a 40's vintage PCC to Fisherman/s Wharf.  

The serious side of this is the fact that once you learn the schedules, there still are hundreds of places in America where these commute routes can be vacation venues too.   Or vice versa.   Eventually, we will see more diligent inspections &#38; separation of baggage from passengers, and that will suit me.   But, for now, bicycles can be brought along on some of these routes, one can learn to travel light, and there are lots of empty seats if you plan for the weekend and off-hours.  

Transit planners should be tip-of-the-tongue savvy about their own respective operating vacation possibilities, and better yet, what could be accomplished with strategic line extensions and schedule tweaking to match up with the next jurisdiction or mode...   There are millions of commuters who can be introduced to public transportation via vacation trips.    This travelling geezer knows there is a great need for new and expanded intermodal ways &#38; means of vacation travel.  You will build workday numbers as well!  

It is not possible to relate to people in the new generation memories of an SP 4400 popping off alongside as you &#38; your shrieking siblings scurried up the ramp in the Oakland Pier, to wait for the next Ferry.   But anyone now in the transit business can spend some time with the map, even old dusty ones, and cogitate on ways to connect the dots that work for commuters and their families too, on special occasions.   This is an honorable task.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing from an attic office in a converted predepression commercial building, there is a special poignancy to Fred&#8217;s story line about the public transportation vacation for me.   Some of our family experiences did in fact revolve around the public transportation of Northern CA, and from 1947 to about 1960, my Pharmacist Dad knew and practiced travel on the trains, buses, streetcars &amp; ferryboats at hand between Sacramento and San Francisco (&#8221;The City&#8221;.</p>
<p>Learning from his Uncle Will Palin, the logistics of combining personal vehicles with public transport. Dad would send most of the family on the train (EsPee&#8217;s El Dorado Express&#8230;)to the Ferry Building, and meet us there, sometimes with the car, but often he would park the car at our uncle Jim&#8217;s, and use the trolley coach/streetcar to sneak up on us in the Ferry Building! </p>
<p>Too many precious memories to share here- the more current ability to use the Capitol Corridor to repeat the experience is at hand in 2007.   Train rides in combination with ferryboats at Jack London Square to the Ferry Building can still be enjoyed.   Or use BART from Richmond to Stations along Market Street, go upstairs and grab a 40&#8217;s vintage PCC to Fisherman/s Wharf.  </p>
<p>The serious side of this is the fact that once you learn the schedules, there still are hundreds of places in America where these commute routes can be vacation venues too.   Or vice versa.   Eventually, we will see more diligent inspections &amp; separation of baggage from passengers, and that will suit me.   But, for now, bicycles can be brought along on some of these routes, one can learn to travel light, and there are lots of empty seats if you plan for the weekend and off-hours.  </p>
<p>Transit planners should be tip-of-the-tongue savvy about their own respective operating vacation possibilities, and better yet, what could be accomplished with strategic line extensions and schedule tweaking to match up with the next jurisdiction or mode&#8230;   There are millions of commuters who can be introduced to public transportation via vacation trips.    This travelling geezer knows there is a great need for new and expanded intermodal ways &amp; means of vacation travel.  You will build workday numbers as well!  </p>
<p>It is not possible to relate to people in the new generation memories of an SP 4400 popping off alongside as you &amp; your shrieking siblings scurried up the ramp in the Oakland Pier, to wait for the next Ferry.   But anyone now in the transit business can spend some time with the map, even old dusty ones, and cogitate on ways to connect the dots that work for commuters and their families too, on special occasions.   This is an honorable task.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Rankin</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1307</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Rankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1307</guid>
		<description>Hi Fred:-

  You're right about the car trip and Hollywood. Although they did do some travel movies, not necessarily vacations, but who'd want to go by rail if Trains, Planes and Automobiles was your intro.

   Away from theatre though, historically Torontonians' passion for going to the cottage north of the city was fueled initially by the Radial Car Line. (In the U.S. of A. read interurban car) This was a quick, inexpensive way to escape the City heat and congestion to rest in the hammock for a day or three on the shore of Lake Simcoe. Automobiles took over this travel mode way way too quickly. Ah, for the good old days!

Dennis Rankin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Fred:-</p>
<p>  You&#8217;re right about the car trip and Hollywood. Although they did do some travel movies, not necessarily vacations, but who&#8217;d want to go by rail if Trains, Planes and Automobiles was your intro.</p>
<p>   Away from theatre though, historically Torontonians&#8217; passion for going to the cottage north of the city was fueled initially by the Radial Car Line. (In the U.S. of A. read interurban car) This was a quick, inexpensive way to escape the City heat and congestion to rest in the hammock for a day or three on the shore of Lake Simcoe. Automobiles took over this travel mode way way too quickly. Ah, for the good old days!</p>
<p>Dennis Rankin</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.masstransitmag.com/interactive/2007/08/31/holiday-travel/#comment-1304</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 17:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There have been many efforts by TV to show public transit - St. Elsewhere, a hospital program had numerous scenes of characters taking the EL and riding on the train.  As we all know, Spiderman, lives in Sunnyside Queens, NYC and scenes of the #7 train appear in some movies, and one took place on the EL, though for cinematic purposes (cityscape and water views) it was actually filmed in Chicago... Many Commercials use subways as the backdrop - frequently Toronto........
as for movies, great action scene in one of the older Disney movies, in the "Herbie" series of a Trolley going up and down the hills of San Francisco.
The use of public transit as a backdrop are decisions of the writer, DP, and producer.....as more RIDE public transit there will be more experiences to incorproate into the movies, TV shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have been many efforts by TV to show public transit - St. Elsewhere, a hospital program had numerous scenes of characters taking the EL and riding on the train.  As we all know, Spiderman, lives in Sunnyside Queens, NYC and scenes of the #7 train appear in some movies, and one took place on the EL, though for cinematic purposes (cityscape and water views) it was actually filmed in Chicago&#8230; Many Commercials use subways as the backdrop - frequently Toronto&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
as for movies, great action scene in one of the older Disney movies, in the &#8220;Herbie&#8221; series of a Trolley going up and down the hills of San Francisco.<br />
The use of public transit as a backdrop are decisions of the writer, DP, and producer&#8230;..as more RIDE public transit there will be more experiences to incorproate into the movies, TV shows.</p>
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